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Smoking is sad thing

It generates so many negative things for barely 1 or two positive

and yet people argue for it in the name of some "freedom"

How does destroying your and people's around health, getting an addiction, paying bonus $$ to the govt as a additional tax and stinking sound like a "freedom"



Freedom means enabling the bad things too.

Which I think leads to two things. One is that maybe freedom isn't that good by itself. Second is that every system will have its flaws, and so, its abusers. And sometimes the system shouldn't be designed to be as abuse-free as possible. Sometimes that throws out the baby with the bathwater.


I kinda disagree here.

When you're addicted you aren't free as in freedom

You want to stop smoking, but you cant.

Thus smoking which leads to addiction isn't "freedom"


Look I agree with everything you said, but freedom means being free to make "bad" decisions.


I kinda disagree here.

When you're addicted you aren't free as in freedom

You want to stop smoking, but you cant.

Thus smoking which leads to addiction isn't "freedom"


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom

Freedom doesn’t mean making good decisions. It means having the liberty to make a decision, even if it’s not in your own best interest.

Do you have a right to destroy your own health? Do you have a right to get yourself addicted to a substance? Do you have a right to smell bad? Does the government have a right to exact a tax to disincentivize bad decisions? Do you have a right to contaminate the air in personal spaces like your own home? Do you have the right to contaminate the air in public spaces?

Do you have a right to tell someone else they aren’t allowed to make any number of those decisions?

There’s the other side of the transaction as well. Do you have a right to grow something that’s bad for your health? Do you have the right to smoke it? Do you have the right to share it? Do you have the right to sell it?

In this case, do you have the right to lie to the person you’re selling it to about whether it’s good/bad for their health? How does that change if you didn’t know it was a lie? How does it change if you did? How does it change if you didn’t know, but you could have known if you’d sought out the information?


I kinda disagree here.

When you're addicted you aren't free as in freedom

You want to stop smoking, but you cant.

Thus smoking which leads to addiction isn't "freedom"


You have a right to, and a responsibility not to.


A responsibility to one's self or one's children, but not to you.


physical addiction = freedom?




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