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I recently realized that between FogBugz (which my company uses for bugs, to-do items, and wiki) and Kiln (which my company is now using for Source Control/Code Reviews), the Fog Creek products are emerging as a Bizarro-world version of Microsoft's TFS.

My uninformed prediction of what's next: a hosted CI service like CruiseControl or TeamCity, both of which are useful (I would say indispensable) but can be intimidating to set up and start using.



This is a tangent but you might want to take a look at Hudson as a CI server; it's incredibly easy to set up, not at all intimidating, and very extensible.


Thanks! That looks like a very useful tool.


I sincerely hope you mean that the "bizarro-world" aspect of Fog Creek's products compared to TFS is that they actually are usable and work really easily. :)


CI is currently terrible. Anyone that can bring CI to the masses by making it easier to implement and use should make a killing.




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