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This first question that comes to mind is what was he doing driving at 4:30 in the morning.

His friends describe him as a "grandma diver" so why was he driving so fast and blowing red lights on a residential street? Did he ever display this type of behaviour before?

Another question is.. how does a well made car burst into flames so quickly.



Another question is.. how does a well made car burst into flames so quickly.

There was a lot of discussion about various aspects of how cars behave when they crash, in a previous thread. But, speaking as a former firefighter, the tl/dr; is "cars do sometimes catch fire and burn when they crash". Hollywood style explosions don't normally happen, and car fires resulting from wrecks don't always happen, or even happen terribly often at all in my experience, but they are far from unheard of.


Interesting parallel (I know the events are not equivalent, but still):

Here's a report of a Mercedes crashed at Nurburgring by a test driver: http://www.automotto.com/2014-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-black-se...

Both the test driver and the passenger walked away unharmed. Do note that this was on the track, where the cars are supposedly driven at much higher speeds than on regular roads.


People are making a typical statistical error here. It is unlikely for a car to catch fire in an accident, certainly. But it's wrong to take that and conclude that this fire was therefore likely due to foul play. Foul play is still a much less likely explanation for the facts as currently known.


That's only the case if in your world theory (and based on the input you have) you trust the government to not do such stuff.

If an investigative journalist "mysteriously vanished" in a Latin American dictatorship, for example, one would not even raise an eyebrow if told it was government work. Even if lots of people also vanished without foul play there.


When would statistics support a suspicion of foul play? The scarcity of some occurrence isn't proof against it.


Figure out a prior probability of foul play, figure out the probability of a car bursting into flames on impact, plug the result into Bayes' theorem, and you get the relative likelihoods.

No, scarcity isn't proof against, but it is evidence. A lot of people are talking nonstop about the rarity of cars bursting into flames as evidence against that interpretation, while ignoring the even greater rarity of journalists being murdered by the US government.


5 point harness and a helmet can really make a big difference.


It's one thing to run off a track onto grass, even if you're flipping and rolling at 180 mph.

It's another to make friendly with a tree at a 100 mph lower speed.

It's not speed that kills, it's the sudden deceleration at the end.


> Another question is.. how does a well made car burst into flames so quickly.

A fuel line is torn in the crash... a few milliliters of gasoline seep onto the ground, while the heat from the catalytic converter ignites some grass that has gotten a little long. The small amount of gasoline and brush cause a fire that is able to quickly spread through the damaged structure of the car, igniting the carpet, fabric, and seat cushions.

Within a minute the fire is well on its way. Within 3 minutes, the car is fully involved.

Obviously I don't know what happened in this case, but I've seen the exact scenario described happen more than once (the gas leak was only confirmed in one case, in two other cases, it was just the brush and debris under the car).


The engine was yards away from the car meaning the fuel lines broke, that's how it can happen here.


In his first book, he said he crashed a Buick while drunk at the age of 19. He also had mentioned in a few columns about being a former addict. He said he'd been sober since (10+ years?), but until there are conclusive results on the toxicology report, it's all really speculative. In either case, yes, he has displayed this type of behaviour before.


> how does a well made car burst into flames so quickly?

I always wonder about this, it's not like a car fire is anything like hollywood makes it out to be.


The fact that movies prefer to show a big dramatic explosion in a fictional context does not mean that cars can't catch fire in real life.

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/statistics/reports/vehicles.shtm


Sure -- but a small percentage of them does it in a crash.

Of course, if you are so inclined (either way), you can explain away any coincidence.

We had the "conspiracy theorists", not we have the "coincidence theorists".


Cars can catch fire in real life: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54e_1333912420

See also: Ryan Dunn's 911, post-tree.

Hollywood may exaggerate the rate at which that happens, but not much more.


Ryan Dunn was driving at 130mph when he hit that tree. Not a great example for your position...


What makes you think his case sets a lower bound on the speed required to start a fire?


Well, physics.


Physicists tend to like to repeat an experiment lots of times before attempting to make conclusions based on empirical observations.


Given the distance the drive train was tossed in this wreck, I don't think there was any shortage of kinetic energy being dissipated into the vehicle.


One possibility was that he may have been chased.


Or that he was paranoid and thought he was being chased.


Or he was surreptitiously exposed to a mind-altering substance that made him paranoid, thinking he was being chased!


Or we're all exposed to mind-altering substances that make us paranoid, making us think he was exposed to drugs, thinking he was chased. It's the contrails, I tell you!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Cabin_nos...

Why would they need the little folding umbrella on the plane if they weren't worried about exposure to the chemicals in the black drums?

This is why I've asked the orderlies to let me skip recreation hour in the yard!


Or maybe the tree was drunk and traveling too fast.


This seems like a really risky way to kill someone. Why bother?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov#Assassination

Note the umbrella in my other reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5981867

There is no such thing as a coincidence.




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