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They're not being jerks by the standards of their culture, but the culture is sexist.

Is it that the culture is sexist, or that the culture is aggressive, elitist, loud, obnoxious, and expects people to "suck it up" and not get offended? Or both?



"Is it that the culture is sexist, or that the culture is aggressive, elitist, loud, obnoxious, and expects people to "suck it up" and not get offended?"

Strong elements in "the culture" encourage both of these.

There isn't quite a monoculture, so using just "the culture" seems a bit off.


There isn't quite a monoculture, so using just "the culture" seems a bit off

That's true.

That being said, I'm wondering if a boisterous workplace culture that may be grounded in stereotypically male "ways of being" (e.g. rude jokes, elitism, competitiveness, aggression, "in your face"-ness) can be considered sexist insofar as it discourages more stereotypically female "ways of being" (assuming no overt sexism in the form of legitimate discrimination, etc). Or if some women like that culture and thrive in it, is that considered inoculation against charges of sexism?

I don't really have an answer. I'm just trying to understand what is considered sexist and what is considered a natural consequences of differences between the sexes.


The problem is the delineation between "rude" funny and "nasty".

I like the former, but I don't think many people are capable of sorting out the dark consciousness of what makes it so funny from the more South Park joke being at someone's expense. Since I'd rather avoid having to deal with the latter, I'm fine with sidestepping the former or setting up clear lines, even though it makes me "no fun" to plenty of techies of any gender.

"what is considered sexist"

Can probably be debated easier and somewhat more objectively* than "what is considered a natural consequences of differences between the sexes" , which is entirely conjecture and crappy evo-psych.

*It's plenty subjective, but what affects and bothers coworkers and friends is absolutely important.


I don't see much of a difference there


A company culture could be aggressive, obnoxious, elitist, etc, but still hire women and promote them into positions of responsibility and/or leadership.


yes, you're right. I misread your comment.




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