1) It can't have closed source extensions if there's no longer any such thing as closed source. I'm not proposing that artists shouldn't bother with IP, I'm proposing that we build something new and once we have it working we abolish IP.
If it seems like I've beee avoiding 2, it's because the point I'm trying to make is
> IP isn't doing the job we want it to, we can do better.
3) No, I was unspecific because the ideal payment depends on a variety of factors like whether their content bothered to share attribution with its source, whether it was supported or contradicted by more trustworthy evidence, whether it harmed or hurt the people who relied on it... things that you can't prescribe up front.
> artists have 0 say. They can only say "please" and "thank you".
That's been the case for every kind of artist ever since there was technology that could copy their work. The best we can do is find ways to ensure that it's more "thank you" than "please".
A) Do you know any artists who are making a living based on their art? (I don't). Do you know any who have tried and failed because it either wasn't enough money, or because they were too afraid that fluid definitions of "derivative work" might upend their business model? (I know several). The existing system is working only for incumbents.
B) Yeah, working on that
C) Like people going hungry because John Deere remote-killed a bunch of tractors on the basis of their copyrighted firmware having been tampered with. Like having billionaires instead of the masses in control of our elections because all information reaches the people through advertiser-controlled chokepoints. Like being spied on or sabotaged via back doors in our tech which were added to accept remote firmware updates related to content protection but are now being uses for other more nefarious things. Or having blind people be unable to navigate the internet because their screen reader software isn't compatible with the copy protection in place. Like having cures for diseases go unused because the patent on the treatment can still be squeezed for profit. Like having a brittle internet that is broken all the time because the rights holders needed single points of control, and now we have single points of failure. The list harms of the Advertising-IP partnership goes on and on and on. Cory Doctorow makes this point well in his (2011) talk: The Coming War on General Computation: https://media.ccc.de/v/28c3-4848-en-the_coming_war_on_genera...
If it seems like I've beee avoiding 2, it's because the point I'm trying to make is
> IP isn't doing the job we want it to, we can do better.
To answer 2 I have to shift to:
> I can do better, and here's how.
My proposal is a bit lengthy for hn, so here's a gist: https://gist.github.com/MatrixManAtYrService/52b228cc3ffb624...
3) No, I was unspecific because the ideal payment depends on a variety of factors like whether their content bothered to share attribution with its source, whether it was supported or contradicted by more trustworthy evidence, whether it harmed or hurt the people who relied on it... things that you can't prescribe up front.
> artists have 0 say. They can only say "please" and "thank you".
That's been the case for every kind of artist ever since there was technology that could copy their work. The best we can do is find ways to ensure that it's more "thank you" than "please".
A) Do you know any artists who are making a living based on their art? (I don't). Do you know any who have tried and failed because it either wasn't enough money, or because they were too afraid that fluid definitions of "derivative work" might upend their business model? (I know several). The existing system is working only for incumbents.
B) Yeah, working on that
C) Like people going hungry because John Deere remote-killed a bunch of tractors on the basis of their copyrighted firmware having been tampered with. Like having billionaires instead of the masses in control of our elections because all information reaches the people through advertiser-controlled chokepoints. Like being spied on or sabotaged via back doors in our tech which were added to accept remote firmware updates related to content protection but are now being uses for other more nefarious things. Or having blind people be unable to navigate the internet because their screen reader software isn't compatible with the copy protection in place. Like having cures for diseases go unused because the patent on the treatment can still be squeezed for profit. Like having a brittle internet that is broken all the time because the rights holders needed single points of control, and now we have single points of failure. The list harms of the Advertising-IP partnership goes on and on and on. Cory Doctorow makes this point well in his (2011) talk: The Coming War on General Computation: https://media.ccc.de/v/28c3-4848-en-the_coming_war_on_genera...