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Politifact is hardly an impartial source. If I have to explain why, there's no reason to even continue this conversation.

Additionally, bringing in the "50 beheaded babies" story and calling it the most infamous hoax very clearly shows where you get your news from... and it's not trustworthy sources. That was a strawman hoax that only circulated as a debunked hoax on Jew-hating media, it started as a intentional misunderstanding of a reporter's claim. There never was a claim of 50 beheaded babies.

There is no genocide and all your "well supported facts" are either intentionally false statements that aren't facts at all or twisted to support your narrative. The reality is that there has always been more than enough food and water in gaza, war involves death and destruction and doesn't point to genocide which requires both intent and follow through neither of which are present from the Israeli side. Though they are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies both in their daily rhetoric (from the river to the sea, globalize the intifada, Death to Israel, etc) and in their daily attempts to kill as many jews as possible (missiles and rockets targeting civilian population centers, stabbing attacks, bus bombs, RPGs at school buses, RPGs at homes, shooting civilian cars, etc).


> enough food and water in gaza

Here’s what I read on Wikipedia:

> The water resources of Palestine are de facto fully controlled by Israel […] The airstrikes led to a 95% reduction of water resources […] Gazans were limited to 3 litres per day, litres under the UN emergency limit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_...

"The siege of gaza’s water" by CSIS: https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water

> genocide which require both intent and follow through […] are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies

Hum, there’s many people that have "anti" zionism or Israel ideas but at the same time don’t want death, destruction let alone a genocide. Let’s say someone is anti trump party or anti USA (for good or bad reasons), they doesn’t necessarily are anti Americans (_the people_) and for sure most don’t want a genocide!!! For sure some of them does, but you can’t blame or reject any ideas because some of their members views. Listening calmly the moderate part is always better that pointing out the extremists.


The politifact page isn’t a news source. It presents a straightforward argument. It deconstructs the most substantial evidence I could find that the Gazan population is growing amid the genocide and quote population measures - basically some outdated population projection. The argument there is admittedly quite paltry, but so is your claim. Do you actually have any substantial arguments or evidence or do you plan to just impugn the source rather than its reasoning?

As for the notion that a reporter mangled the claim about 50 beheaded babies - that just isn’t true. People from IDF spokespeople to Biden have propagated this lie.

Children are dying of famine in Gaza. Photos, reports, statistics all corroborate this story. Israeli forces have destroyed the agriculture and are starving the helpless population. They have cut off aid. They shoot many of the people who come to the remaining four “aid” stations they operate. A fraction of the deaths that have occurred after October 7 are Israeli. Countless innocent Gazas have been murdered, toddlers sniped, families bombed, drones have played the recordings of crying babies to lure victims out of hiding. Groups in Israel have rioted for the right of Israeli soldiers to rape Palestinians. The atrocities committed against an almost completely defenseless population are horrifying. Now the population is utterly defenseless and the murdering does not cease; the goal seems to be total starvation now.

People turn to condemning the genocide after becoming appalled by the facts not out of anti-semitism. Condemning genocide isn’t anti-Semitic if it happens to be Jews doing it. Numerous Jews condemn the genocide including many holocaust survivors. Genocide is a crime against humanity. All people should unite in condemning it.


> As for the notion that a reporter mangled the claim about 50 beheaded babies - that just isn’t true. People from IDF spokespeople to Biden have propagated this lie.

This is plainly false. No other argument is needed with you because you continue to make totally false claims.


> A spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces told Insider on Tuesday that its soldiers found the decapitated corpses of babies

https://www.businessinsider.com/idf-says-hamas-decapitated-b...

> deputy commander of the IDF's unit 71, David Ben Zion…He says: "They cut off heads… of children, of women."

> a spokesperson for Mr Netanyahu's office, said: "Toddlers, babies, I can tell you some of them... yes, heads were cut off. This is what we are hearing from... soldiers on the ground who dealt with the bodies."

> In an interview with Sky's Mark Austin on Tuesday evening, Israeli economy minister Nir Barkat echoed a similar claim: "We've seen just now... we've heard of 40 young boys. Some of them were burned alive. Some were beheaded. Some were shot in the head."

> [Biden] said: "I never really thought that I would see, have confirmed, pictures of terrorists beheading children, I never thought I would ever, anyway..."

https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-fac...


literally just read the articles you're sharing, like just read the quotes you're quoting... none talk about 40 beheaded babies.

I've never seen someone bring proofs against themselves and be so kind as to highlight the exact place that disproves their own argument. good job




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