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It is a bit of a blunt instrument, but presuming you agree that it's a problem that needs to be solved, what other alternative would you suggest?


Not doing that?

I'm not here to give alternative solutions, I'm here to tell you the current solution is slightly worse than nothing.

You would have to make the solution fairly complex for it to be beneficial. But I'd start with quantifying why people are in the city, rather than treating them all the same.

If it were my job, I'd have a better solution than congestion charges, that's for damn sure.


Given your username one might hope "implement a world class public transport system" or better yet "convert an urban highway into a beautiful linear park and waterway" (like Seoul) would come to mind.


Yes. Except I don't believe they're capable of that...

>"convert an urban highway into a beautiful linear park and waterway"

They converted an inner urban highway and other highways in the sky (in the immediate city centre) to walking paths while adding extra highways to the pool further out from the city centre. Removing the inner highways added to congestion, adding the outer highways reduced congestion.

They did not add congestion charges and the city handles it fine. They are not stupid like a lot of people here are.


You make some valid points, but calling us stupid is incredibly rude and undermines everything you say. It also runs afoul of HN guidelines.


Sorry I wasn't calling you stupid. I said there were a lot of stupid people here.

You may or may not be stupid. I don't know.

Do you have anything to reply? I think you're running afoul of guidelines too.


If it were your job you would think differently because you knew all the facts, constraints and trade offs. Contrary to popular belief most people make reasonable decisions and want to do a good job


corruption and incompetence exist.


you're right but judgmental statists get high off the feeling of control and "fairness" - effectiveness be damned. I thought we absolutely needed the government and taxes for the roads because paying for use would be so "unfair" and "hard" - oh wait, now they want to control what you do because they like bikes so its totally reasonable. Hard to find more statists than in New York




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