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You talk about a country defending itself as if that's what militaries do. The US military has been intervening in the world stage for 80 years at this point.

Take any country below the equator and chances are the US has probably used its military against it. That's not defence. You don't collaborate with that actor if you think defence is the goal.



Not Australia, New Zealand, or South Africa!


Well England did nuke Australia. But we’re friends so thats OK.

If we set that aside as an aberration, then yes your right.


No harm in a little nuclear explosion between friends.


So pushing Iraq out of Kuwait in 1991 wasn't defense? Fascinating worldview you got there.


Is Kuwait the US? No. Then by definition it cannot be defense to take military action over there.


Defense of another isn't defense now? In what universe?


In a sane universe.

You could rephrase ALL invasions as "defense of another". For example, Putin's excuse to invade Ukraine was 'to "protect the people" of the Russian-controlled breakaway republics.'

Otherwise you're just arguing that countries can point at some random object and say "that's under my watch" and bring armies to fight for that thing. In a sane universe that's called an invasion. Whether the invasion is morally justified or not is another matter.


I'm not talking about stupid mental gymnastics, I'm talking about very straightforward defense against an invasion. Iraq invaded Kuwait, a multinational coalition approved by the UN pushed them out. How is that not defense?


Let's disregard that the USA encouraged Sadam to invade Kuwait and implied he would face no recourse if he did.

Would you have been okay with Russia going to Iraq's aid when the USA invaded the second time? You think it's fine if Russia not only fought American troops in Iraq, but bombed the USA as well? That would have been defense by your logic, since that's exactly what the USA did to Iraq in 1991.

Fascinating worldview indeed.


"Let's disregard that the USA encouraged Sadam to invade Kuwait and implied he would face no recourse if he did."

That never happened. The only thing that happened was SH having a talk to a US diplomat who was noncommittal because there was no official position on it yet. Because nobody expected SH to do something that stupid.




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