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Note that warrantless and illegal bulk military intelligence gathering and “law enforcement” in the US are now practically indistinguishable: several US federal law enforcement agencies, including the DEA and FBI, receive intelligence products from the military’s domestic spying apparatus, which they then use to conduct what’s known as “parallel construction”: illegal evidence that they then use in court, unrelated to the spying (because that’s illegal, as well as the evidence that they found later as a result of the illegal spying).

Additionally, federal “law enforcement” (and concentration camp-operating) organizations like the CBP are engaging in domestic mass spying using aircraft to collect mobile phone identity data from millions, even for peaceful protests and the like. There isn’t really a line between “state surveillance” and “law enforcement” anymore in the US.

The title of this item as I submitted it to HN prior to its edit by mods ended in “to aid in state surveillance”, which I think is a more plain, accurate, and unbiased description of the practice, as I think that pretending that this illegal military spying practice (PRISM et al) has anything to do with legitimate “law enforcement” is basically state propaganda at this point.

I stand by my previous snarky, HN-rulebreaking flame of Zoom’s announcement of end to end encryption support from a month ago:

> I'm sure the result of this will be lots of good and secure trustworthy software that I'll be eager to install on my computer.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23103578



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