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> and Jungle came from the 1980's ragga scene.

Not really, it heavily sampled the dub basslines and ragga vocals from that scene, but it grew out of the hardcore/rave scene. The hardcore scene had already been heavily using the dub basslines, it was just the vocal element and the more two-step oriented and heavily 'chopped up' Amen breaks that distinguished jungle from the sound of rave which was a more straight break-beat, with lots of analogue synth stab lead riffs.

The hardcore/rave scene grew directly out of the Belgian techno and acid-house scenes.

> Classic Trance came from High Energy and Italo Disco..

That's a real stretch too. Trance and techno were almost the same thing in the early 90s, with the likes of Jam & Spoon - Stella. They clearly share the same origins. The shite that came later (Euro trance) is not what I would call the 'original' trance.

> Here is a source

Inskur's guide is well known to be full of errors, I wouldn't use that as a source.



>> Classic Trance came from High Energy and Italo Disco..

> That's a real stretch too.

I'm going to row back a bit on this absolutist comment. The origins of trance were definitely Goa in the mid-80s and had chopped up Italo Disco, Disco, and Hi-NRG (chopped up to remove the vocals, extend them, and make them more 'trancedental'). So, I will admit that it's where trance came from. And in some ways it always stayed 'parallel' to the other scenes, and always had a certain hippy-vibe to it (well, until Ferry Corsten got hold of it).

But, the actual production style moved pretty far away from the Italo/Disco/Hi-NRG sound - and I would consider trance from the 90s onwards to be fundamentally 'techno with pads' as they share so much in common.

And, so that's why I think it's debatable what the origins of the production are, if not necessarily the origin of the scene.




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