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Social network creator Ning raising $70M at $560M valuation (venturebeat.com)
12 points by rami on April 19, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 11 comments


I thought Marc A's comment at the end of the article was interesting:

  We raised the money to enable us to keep scaling given 
  our accelerating growth ... and to make sure we have
  plenty of firepower to survive the oncoming nuclear
  winter. At current growth rates, we don’t need it to get
  to cash flow positive, but having lived through the last
  crunch, it’s good to be conservative with these things.
Which is at least a reasonable justification for getting so over-capitalized: get the money while it can be gotten for cheap, don't burn through it, and use the cash reserve to survive the downtown Marc A. is predicting.


Why aren't they "cash flow positive"? How do you spend $44 million and not make money?

I'm not being rhetorical, I admire what Ning is doing.


They must be investing in some enormous infrastructure. Server farms, international markets, maybe Akamai.

But in general, it's not uncommon for companies that raise a lot of capital for rapid growth to not be profitable. Back in AOL's heyday, they had huge revenue growth, but they were reinvesting it in customer acquisition so fast that they never started to make money until their growth slowed down. This also happened in the retail boom in the 80s with companies like Home Depot and Staples. They kept building out more stores, which cost them more money than they were making.

Having said all that, I really fail to understand valuing Ning at half a billion dollars. It seems like a useful thing, but only an incremental improvement over, say, Yahoo Groups.


> How do you spend $44 million and not make money?

Investing in Ning? ;)


Yes, "pmarca expects a 'nuclear winter'" is almost a headline-worthy item itself.


Splitting hairs a bit, but Marc says $60m:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/pmarca/~3/273226506/ning-news...


net investment banker fees


Ah. Should have studied finance. :)


haha believe me it wasn't worth it


The investment bankers who got the missing $10 million might differ in that opinion :)


touche - but not the lower level analysts who worked 100 hours a week at essentially McDonald's manager wages (100k per year divided by 50 weeks divided by 100 hours per week = $20 per hour), staring at TPS reports, pitchbooks and never ending excel schedules.

which unfortunately would be my level.




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